The arena is located directly below Caesar's tent and is comprised of a small pit with walls of scrap metal and an entrance gate. [–]recycled_ideas 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). I think the reason people don't see Caesar as evil is because Caesar is such a well-written villain. Focused on sniping, survival and repair, has affinity with boone and a soft spot for the NCR's mission (and their ranger armour). As a U.S. Marine Corps combat veteran of the Post-9/11 wars, I was proud to join the American Legion. [–]AngryArmourAuld Lang Syne 80 points81 points82 points 3 years ago* (36 children). If a raider gang shows up you'll just blast them away in any case. By sending a lot of men out with knives and light uniforms, they make sure that the few who come back have that combination of bravery, smarts, loyalty and initiative - that they are the best warriors, most suited to father the next generation of recruits by the sex slaves mentioned earlier. Then someone answers that "crab is good because it's a very delicious animal that can be eaten in a variety of different ways. Caesars New Regime Legion Power Armor RolePlayers alternative start Check out my other mods: "Balanced NCR Armor" "In The NCR" "In the Brotherhood" and "My Nelson House" WARNING DO NOT FORGET TO DEACTIVATE MOD IF YOU SWITCH TO A CHARACTER YOU DONT WANT IN THE LEGION FACTION! All you see is the military wing, which of course will be harshly regulated. I came there, saw Benny, fast travelled back out, got Boone, and we massacred the Legion, I let Boone take the final shot on Caesar. [–]kecaw 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children). For example, around 90% of all NCR forces that use Power Armor in New Vegas, have power armor that is incomplete, suggesting that things of higher maintenance, such as a Tank, are going to be even worse for wear. There are several reasons for them to use women as sex slaves. 3 years ago. If you like legit crimery, go with NCR. They roleplay. [–]ANUSTART942Press X to SHAUN 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children). Ostatnie wpisy na blogu. The Legion helps Veterans and their families access the disability benefits they deserve. The notion that every country is for everyone and that no race or culture has a right to be preserved as the majority anywhere, even in their native lands, is a 21st century progressive globalist ideology and has no place in a game set in the middle ages. And so we need to somehow weave them into the game's narrative and so this is a world in which you can save many lifes by killing tons of people because these People you kill are murderers and you can shoot them on sight because they are Raiders and therefore they are so very evil that their piss is distilled malevolence. When a SJW freaks out about it, they will pull the leg of the SJW by pretending to be completely sold on the legion ideology, just to traumatize the SJW. ". [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children), Reasons to support the Stormcloaks: Almost nowhere in this universe lands are safe. The consensus came to the corruption existing but not being nation breaking. In game, hell even in dialouge we never learn what they use slaves for. Those shitheads? Most of Britain was under Roman rule for almost 400 years, but when the Roman Empire began to falter, the people of Britain were increasingly left to defend themselves. But hey, wanting to subject over 50% of the population to rape and slavery isnt that bad. I know its frowned upon to use Hitler as an example, but could you imagine these types of arguments being used justify why Hitler actually had some good points about him and not just negative? If their group interests you, it is possible to join their ranks and serve under Caesar. Plus, the Legion apparently went into the regions that no other group would set foot in. Do you think Walmart would rather pay its workers or have them work for free? Their are plenty of cases where Legion soldiers can be found with quite advanced tech on them. (Historical Propriety. Those are specifically referring to the strip and major settlements. (That annoyed Carlyle because he was a racist piece of shit and thought that black people would just laze around all day if they weren't forced to work. [–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children), absolutely. They are definitely the second greyest villains in the series. And in both the leaders probably see things into a political point of view. Something similar with Gaunter O'Dim from W3:HoS. As others have noted, it is the correct classical pronunciation—or as close as could reasonably be expected. Seen some topics that custom clothing don't show in cutscenes like Breakpoint bivouac. [–]ltsBuck 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (3 children), For me, my issue with the Legion is that the follow-Up seemed to be legate lanius. Strength- 9 The Legion is trained in hand-to-hand and with melee weapons including trowing spears. Legion is not evil because of their ends, they are evil because their means have tainted their ends. In the 1800s however growing industrialization and advances in machinery was a significant factor in the abolition of slavery. And he outlawed all use of modern medicine (except for when he needs it) and any advanced technology that could improve everyone's lives. [–]Diddu_Sumfin 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children). use the following search parameters to narrow your results: All Posts must be directly related to Fallout. After the First Battle of Hoover Dam, Mr. House knew that as soon as either the NCR or the Legion became victorious at the Dam, they would turn their attention to New Vegas. When you see fighting, it's on a relatively small scale, and in hot, arid environments. No, it would only get more stringent. With Lanius basically being a monster who will tear everyone apart who is not in his image. [–]Vault121 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children), https://www.google.fr/search?q=frank+horrigan+encounter&oq=frank+horrigan+encounter&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2j69i61.3189j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8, [–]Swampeyaway1 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child). If Benny escaped from The Tops at the conclusion of Ring-a-Ding-Ding! Secondly the Viet Cong were fighting a defensive insurgents war. I don't know how they would've made a faction that kidnaps people to enslave them not be evil. You never bother to think "should I engage 4 raiders at once? and explaining how people argue that crabs are rich and full of texture. Don't you think that will all fall apart as soon as Caesar dies? Many of these players plan to cancel Valhalla if they don't see quick fixes to WD day 1 problems. That went for every recruit I met on the farm. They don't want to play the NCR every time, so they put themselves in the head of a legion soldier and try to think like them. They're in the middle of nowhere hiding behind rocks. For a friend.From Fallout New Vegas by Obsidian Entertainment There are good reasons for them to sell slaves. I always had the feeling that the Legion was meant to be the obvious bad guy faction in the game. Despite all of these points that I can invent to "lawyer away the bad bits", I've played through New Vegas several times, and have seen that you're essentially railroaded into joining the NCR unless you're roleplaying as an evil character. Though, it's perfectly ok for Caesar to use an Auto-doc, of course. [–]superlucci 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children). 1.) [–]HughesJohnEnclave 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children). They want to take Poland back from the German occupiers; they want to bring back the Polish language and they want to kick out the unwanted sub-Saharan migrants. Caesar clearly states in his dialogue that his entire goal for taking over the Mojave, ins't just to expand, it's to transform his nomadic empire, into a true state with real staying power. Though the slave trade was also pretty integral to the initial growth of the industrial revolution, particularly in the British Empire. Well OP it seems you see that people are making the exact same arguments as the ones you already know are nonsense in this thread still. If it had better outfits and much more content, I would side with them in every playthrough. If you support the German occupiers just because you don't like it that the Poles are racist towards the sub-Saharan migrants, you are lost beyond hope. They seem hellbent on recreating Rome according to the Stoics and pure utilitarianism. [–]taw -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (3 children). I have finished this game in every possible way except legion. Mass slavery and plantations may be out but slavery is still very useful. Or, instead of enemies so tough you can't reasonably kill them, have numerous enemies that don't stop coming until your dead. [–]Golden_Spider666 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children), my character in my first run of NV was a "Fuck this, I almost fucking died, im for myself and thats it" kinda dude, I joined Yes-Man, and took over New Vegas, if i could've joined nobody i wouldve gladly chosen to do so and watch them fight it out, However I think joining Yes-Man as well railroads you to the NCR, [–]vtelgeuse 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (0 children). How do you explain the Enclave can kidnap entire vault/village and not 2 guys and a kid ? Maybe choose what branch you work in, become a Frumentarri or a general of the army, maybe some other jobs at the camp. Or underage from a captured tribe, for that matter. The answer was, "because they're an exceptionally well written faction". In that sense, I don't consider the Legion to be "what we got" over "what it is". I'm not disagreeing they aren't morally grey (they're not, rather they're quite clearly evil), but I am disagreeing they are ISIS, though there are similarities. It's not like I spent 2 years studying this or anything. Does that make sense? The ncr isn't just sitting on it's ass back home letting the raiders do as they please. Free our people. Walmart would rather pay wages, and have their workers figure room and board out for themselves. All rights reserved. Because it's new vegas and Obsidian, I can only imagine the grief Bethesda would've got if they put a bunch of loonys running around dressed as romans in the game. [–]The_Tin_Can_Man 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children), Yes. [–]VistaerWelcome Home 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). Obviously slaves would be used to build, to farm, to make weapons and armor etc. In such environments, being lightly armored means you can be faster, stealthier and can travel for longer distances, which is how the Legion keeps sneaking into NCR territories for raids. In the year 2246, the Followers of the Apocalypse sent a group of nine members to the Arizona wastelands to study the region’s tribal languages. The dawn of a new dynasty seemed to be the complete iron fist. /r/falloutcosplayers - Fallout-related cosplay, /r/galaxynewsradio - Fallout-sounding music. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Unless you were a woman or slave, then it was pretty much the same as what we saw in the game. Use and abuse spoiler tags. I do wish that it would've been possible to peacefully unite some of the smaller tribes under your own banner as opposed to just personally gaining their support (maybe even literally one you could design or choose from a set of designs, complete with a base/compound and an outfit/uniform of your choosing?) As usual, soldiers are fools & tools. You consider that encounter amazing ? One thing I always think about, though, is how Yes Man says he is going away to become "more assertive". When logged in, you can choose up to 12 games that will be displayed as favourites in this menu. and join one of thousands of communities. I once killed Caeser with a .22 pistol. The Legion is more effective in getting rid of these people because they aren't bothered by things like due process. [–]BoobieBoobieButtButt 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). "No logic to slavery" Yes because having a huge labor force that doesn't require good conditions or pay is so illogical. (This is partly a wish for the great khans... but they were so weak), [–]AltusIsXDLONG LIVE THE BEAR 252 points253 points254 points 3 years ago* (8 children). It was just so annoying in the first few years after Skyrim came out when the internet was full of 14 year old 'enlightened' SJW narcissists condemning everyone for playing as a Stormcloak because they are"racist". I still believe the Nords can be independent, save their race and culture from the effects of diversification, cosmopolitanism and amalgamation and fight alongside the empire against the Thalmor. Now those leaders are acting like they will invade Saudi Arabia because it's not a country religious enough. You can't interact with them yet so you are left in suspense of who they are. I let Boone put a bullet in his brain every time. Really ? Not only that, but many of the advanced tech that the NCR has that the Legion does not, is already extremely limited. [–]AngryArmourAuld Lang Syne 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). It's either work or die/get beaten. No low effort/meme content as posts. Less violent because they run shit in their sphere of influence, but the reason they run shit in the first place is because they're brutal af. ", Either way, he literally answered the question, [–]JyuconceptsProud Brotherhood Scum 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). [–]forerunner398/r/totallynotfrumentarii 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]FalloutNightBrotherhood 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). There is nothing wrong with your argument and you absolutely know how to read context like a professor. [–]SigournAsk me about New Vegas mods 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (2 children). Yes, the legion is evil but it's the type of interesting evil. Besides, Skyrim is set in a period equivalent to our Middle Ages. They get to focus on the human well-being rather than the human-survival. Some players gain a great deal of satisfaction killing legionaries because they are the bad guys, an attitude the legionaries themselves display when killing profligates. [–]emaw63Obsessed with mugs 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]Cotrop 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children). I mean it's kinda unfair comparing Caesar's Legion in FNV to civilized life in Ancient Rome. [–]JyuconceptsProud Brotherhood Scum 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (5 children), The question is "why do people defend the legion? I'm a simple guy like that. Caesar clearly doesn't want it to stay that way, but as they are they exist right now they quite literally enslave half of their population. I'll preface this with the fact I'm indifferent to NV (played it, liked it, not my favorite Fallout though), just in case the "rose tinted glasses" argument comes up. The only reason the Legion is dominate force in New Vegas is because its literally the outskirts of the NCR's empire. The reason raiders aren't noted in legion lands isn't cause they were obliterated it's because after seeing the first couple crucifictions they gave up and went back to regular lives or left. To say the least, it holds up and is way less of a chore to play through then FO4. I feel like if they'd made an expansion in Arizona so that you could see life inside their borders - no raiders, more safety, but stringent society, it'd have been better. 67 points68 points69 points 3 years ago (4 children). The only half good one I've heard is "oh muh antithisis" and most common one is "But it's a wasteland". That's why its morally gray--the first we can point to say "he's evil! When are you gonna figure it out? These are men away from their wives and families, if they are allowed to have those in the first place, for an extended period of time. During her opening remarks to the NEC, she made mention of a news headline from that horrific act. [–]HughesJohnEnclave 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). [+]Vault121 comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 3 years ago (5 children). 2) Head west out of New Vegas to find the Violet and Violetta trailer park. It's why I find Age of Decadence so engaging in the "danger" regard. In time successors will take over the mantle. Sex slaves also make a bit of sense, from a certain point of view. [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). He has no interest in talking to the chosen one, so he doesn't beyond his introduction. I bet a lot of this stuff has been said/posited before. The cruelty you see in places like Nipton, Nelson, and Camp Searchlight are part of a military campaign, not the day-to-day conduct of the Legion in a conquered area. This is also evidenced by the khans as they flee the states and enter the mojave fearing the ncr crackdown. [–]Vault121 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). I see Legion armor, I start shooting. I do agree with you that the Legion was underdeveloped, though. You are trying to destroy the oil rig, so he tries to stop you. Not really, many ISIS leaders worked for the secular government of Saddam Hussein previously. It is up to the player to rationalize the best option, and each faction appeals to unique reasoning/thought processes. [–]MxPlumeOverBitch Wannabe 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children). You're solid on other points and he'd be very effective against other tribals, but IRL, against modern soldiers they'd be reduced to a small gang of raiders and nothing more. Comments are fine. The production of new soldiers. So I want to play the legion once, with Caesar's regime and Factions Reloaded - Legion mods, (no other mods though). Like a Great Wall to protect the lands, at the cost of so so many lives--bodies being built right into the wall. I got halfway through this post before I realized this wasn't the Titanfall subreddit. But that's not why I made this thread and why you clicked on it. [–]OverseerConeyFollowers 281 points282 points283 points 3 years ago (18 children). [–]Mantisootheca 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (6 children). They've tried having some characters say that the land occupied by the legion is save for trading and free from raiders but i figure that's because the legion would crucify your ass whereas the NCR would toss you in prison, were you wouldn't be starving at least. Hell if the BOS wanted to they could launch a mini nuke right into Ceasars bunker. We need enemies to shoot at, lest it would be a rather boring game and so we need some people who are evil with no complicated morals behind them and so we have the Raiders, or Fiends on FNV. Yes and No. All anyone seemed concerned about in Fallout 3 was the super mutants and the Enclave. Because some people think being edgy is cool, and some just want to troll; These groups are not mutually exclusive, however. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Nyflheim 10 years ago #2. I don't know where we could possibly get that idea from...maybe its from the first time when you meet them they're in the middle of massacring a town. A question regarding Fallout 4 and its settlement shops. Could you recommend a build for me? Everyone who thinks the Legion is evil doesn't see past what the game shows you in present time, as opposed to looking at the future ahead. [–]Vault121 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child). They're "good" in the sense that you really want to learn about this society, how it works and why. It's easy for us living in our comfortable world to say, "That's not worth the price of the Legion's brutal methods." The reason the Legion has slaves is because they conquer people, put them to work, work them until they die, and conquer another people. [–]huntimir151 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children). You'd be pretty grateful. It's like Frank Horrigan encounter. Keep it civil and do not make personal attacks to other users. More or less using the peace that Caeser has made via his atrocities, and attempting to rectify the atrocities after the fact. [–]SuperintendentDan 61 points62 points63 points 3 years ago (0 children). So why are there more slaves today, in this age of the most advanced technology the world has ever seen, than in any other year in the history of our species? Solicitors in Ilford, Essex. It really all depends. Wouldn't it be more similar to say, Russia invades the EU and beats them into submission. People seem to forget the NCR has tanks and vertibirds. However, the comment is saying, "people like the legion because they're well written" and therefore like the legion not for their moral standards, but their character depth and solid writing. The idea is supposed to be that Legion territory offers safety, stability and prosperity without the corruption and inefficiency of the NCR, but at the cost of any kind of meaningful personal liberty or basic standards of morality. Now Mussolini! vDialogueN_GREETING_001754D2_1 Topic GREETING GREETING Honored to speak with you, sir. Spoiler: Legion Infamy Primm/Goodsprings/The Strip wouldn't be enslaved. Some really shocking news. Vault-Tec Multiplayer Mod - \"VaultMP\" - is a multi-player mod for the PC versions of Bethesda\'s award-winning role-playing games Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas and The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. [–]Vault121 -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (4 children), [–]Swampeyaway1 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (3 children). And certainly not in New Vegas either. Yeah, pretty much. Slavery isn't just "not paying wages. Aside from Caesar being interestingly written, there was never a doubt in my mind that the sexist, crucifixion obsessed slavers were the definitive "evil" faction in the game. Just consider this. Feral ghouls are creatures found in the Mojave Wasteland in 2281. But because hes a super smart charismatic hypocrite, people think hes deep. Long live the Republic! The Legion is best paired with the reasoning of "Order over Civility, Survival of the fittest" similar to the Paradise Falls slavers, the idea is that the weak are incorporated into the society of the strong, and the strong grow the society. It should be harder for femCourier to earn the trust of the common Legionary given the sexist attitudes amongst the Legion. he w… I'm relatively new to Reddit in that I didn't have it when I played Oblivion/Fallout 3/New Vegas/Skyrim a lot, so Fallout 4 is almost all I've discussed and read about in this sub. Though really I dont know if that would make for a fun game. Maybe Lanius only took control of that war outpost while the backup emperor was being educated, trained and groomed back in Arizona. Altogether there were 43, ranging in age from 19 to 32. The Royal British Legion won't be selling Remembrance Day poppies in "certain areas" this year because they offend some minorities. it makes me wonder if they also think Hitler is "cartoonishly evil". Do you think that justifies the lack of political freedom? You can use Fallout: New Vegas console commands to summon monsters and move items into your inventory. There are no pure villains in real life, none. People are driven to join the Legion as much as they are drawn to it. I always hear people talk about how the legion is such a "morally gray" faction and it's all about how "the ends justify the means", but I just don't see it that way. Not long into their travels, the group was captured by the Blackfoot tribe and held for ransom.At the time, the tribe warred against seven other tribes and suffered from a lack of skill in warfare. People easily forgot shitty things in Obsidian/Interplay games. [–]bldarkmanBrotherhood 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (3 children), I don't think you can fast-travel out of the Legion camp, [–]BosnianSupermanTunnel Snakes Rule! Livestream promotion not allowed. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. It's why I love it so much. They're villains, but they're interesting, well-written villains. Josh Sawyer admitted that the way they ended up portraying the Legion wasn't what they intended to, and most of the content had to be cut from the game. I think that while they are able to make weapons from the terrain and may be 'hardier' men than most armies, if it were real combat the legion would be slaughtered as a result of their inferior weapons set. It comes across as just another "for the evils" tactic. To me, that would've fit much better with the ending where you kill Mr. House and claim New Vegas for your own. The NCR was supposed to be more corrupt and the legion was supposed to be less evil. By Kyleanne Hunter Best Defense guest columnist. Whether it becomes the same slave territory, just advanced, or a newer version, would depend on variables I am not up to calculating. Maybe he "adopts" someone as an heir like Julius Caesar adopted Augustus. Because large amounts of the population are tribals? Piracy is a permanent ban, no warnings. No. Someone's analysis also read that the corruption is actually less than that of industrial revolution America. [–][deleted] 35 points36 points37 points 3 years ago (1 child), In game is not a complete representation of the actual lore. [–]krackbaby 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (8 children). ", you just do it. [–]ThatVeteranRangerNCR VETERAN RANGER 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]HK-47b 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). But I 100% agree what we have in vanilla is an evil faction slaving innocents, murdering towns and seeming backwards with football pads and no modern medicine. There's a trophy for killing him with a knife. The topic of Caesar's Legion is one that is discussed endlessly with many here on the boards giving only partial support, if any at all, to the Legion for many reasons. Not by our standards, but even by the Wasteland's, that's a stretch. 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