NCR give most of their troops barely two week training before they send them to front lines, where as Legion spend their whole life fighting for their leader. It doesn't appear in any feeds, and anyone with a direct link to it will see a message like this one. They are slaves for there whole life! Lore wise, it probably wouldn't make sense. However, if that society tried to rebuilt itself, it had to restart from the lowest rung. I dream of a wasteland where we have a good foundation upon which to build the civilization of the future. Isn't the Legion more or less a misogynistic faction though? The interesting thing is, even caeser knows and accepts this. Sentient_Toaster. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. Caesar's Legion operates in accordance with a strict military rank system, inspired by pre-Marian Roman military. Everything is as orderly as it is in Arizona. Their brutal nature is what helps them survive and grow. {SUDDEN PAIN}I want you to forge an alliance between Caesar's Legion and the White Glove Society. Caesar will cleanse the mojave just as he's cleansed the lands before it. None of these things seem especially true in the vanilla game. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Critically hit in the groin for 75 damage, 2+2=4-bidden to the idiots of the think tank. In a violent, post apocalyptic world: Its survival of the fittest, and compared to the NCR, the Legion have got their priorities straight. The Brotherhood has Vertibirds and large numbers of power armored professional soldiers and the institute has an effectively unreachable base where they can mass produce killbots with energy weapons and infiltrators which can sneak into the Legions' Ranks. It was built for the purpose of winning the dam and the Mojave, I highly doubt Caesar's Legion back east is also nothing but tents. I am going to say legion, they care for their people, they can control their land, their aren't many outlaws, they might have slaves but over time that can change through succesion of leaders. Most medieval European societies were relatively bad for women. The history of the Legion can be traced back to the birth of the leader, Caesar himself, although the actual organization did not exist until several years later. Caesars legion uses it strength and ideals to conquer and take-over land. Look at all of the success he's had thus far, especially when it comes to keeping roving bands of criminals in check. Though he was intelligent and charismatic, the narcissistic and petulant Edward was never very popular among his peers. Between those two, I'd pick Caesar's Legion. In real life I'd be a farmer or scavenger surviving, which are the type of people House doesn't give a shit about in the short term. This greatly differs from the rule by threat that NV Caesar uses. They are the best idea for a wonderful foundation for the government for the wasteland. On either side of … That's because I play as a Courier who is a badass. Lucius is one of Caesar's most trusted men and leader of the praetorian guard. I want to add one thing to what you said, if we are looking at how strong their armies are you can clearly see that Legion is way more powerful. Their brutal nature is what helps them survive and grow. Press J to jump to the feed. Much of the Utah and Colorado, and all of Arizona and New Mexico, are mine. Legion. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. We have clans for multiple games. In 42, it fought for the triumvirs at Philippi; later, it participated in Marc Antony's war against the Parthian empire. Once Caesar dies, they'll crumble. The overall quality of life for people would be much, much better. I don't think my main priority would be what is Caesar's thoughts on women. The Courier must either be invited when exiting The Tops after completing Ring-a-Ding-Ding!, Vulpes Inculta (or Alerio if they have already killed Vulpes, who will comment on this) will be waiting outside, or if For the Republic, Part 2 has been completed to the part one must report to Colonel Moore to inform her that the Great Khanshave been dealt with. Last year, I read a book called Attitudes toward Post-Menopausal Women in the High and Late Middle Ages, 1100-1400 (really) by Jessica E. Godfrey. There was no limit on downward movement in such cases. Some places like New Reno may still be a shit hole but caravans aren't getting sacked like on the frontier (the Mojave).Also what makes you think that the Legion can control what the NCR does not? When he was two years old, he and his mother fled the Boneyard when raiders killed his father, eventually finding sanctuary with the Followers of the Apocalypse in 2231. To reach the Fort, the Courier must use the barge at Cottonwood Cove. Decades of warfare, absorbing lesser tribes, gathering power. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I want to see if I'm crazy or not. They have equal numbers and influence, at least with the NCR Hoover Dam will be operational and consistant/reliable electricity will be provided to the entire Mojave. Sounds sort of like Hegel's theory about society existing in distinct 'stages of history', which of course is built entirely on a euro-centric view of civilisation. Patrols, supply lines, reinforcements, that sort of thing.” “Captain Curtis is heading up the investigation right now. When you speak to some Leggionaries you can hear them saying that their camps are getting overcrowded meaning that Legion has more than enough troops to take the Dam. The legion played important roles in Caesar's conquest of Gaul. Caesar's Legion is suddenly teleported back in time to when the Roman Empire ruled the world (Or what they thought was the world).Knowing they don't have a way back, they challenge the Roman Empire, as they believe that Julius Caesar was an imitator, and that their Caesar was superior. Ultimately even though they might sometimes be corrupted or extremely bureaucratic, the ideas they represent, democracy, freedom, and liberty despite everything that's going on are worth dying for. For starters caesar is easily one of the smartest people in the wasteland. The Legion following him would lead to a peak, but then an imminent demise. They had one competent president in their entire life. Its later adventures are described here. A caravan from California gets ambushed by raiders do you think NCR do anything to make sure it doesn't happen again? Writers from that period tend to hold women in relatively high regard when they are young, beautiful, and childbearing. The victory over Pompey at Phrasalus in Greece was the most important victory of that bloody war.The legion was with Caesar in Egypt as he wiped out all the supporters of the Pompeian cause. Caesar's Legion is in the 'first stage' of society, where society has yet to develop towards the 2nd and 3rd stages of what Hegel believed was modeen civilisation at the time. But Fallout lore also contends that the Legion are fierce, dangerous, numerous, organized, and a grave threat to the NCR and Mr. House. Free to work the job you want isntead of being conscripted to slave services or being a foot soldier, etc. When a society collapsed, it could drop from the highest rung down to the bottom almost overnight. By âovertâ, I mean that they openly express hatred of/contempt for women. Caesar's Legion. VDialogueCaesar_GREETING_00144618_1 Topic GREETING GREETING They used to be cannibals. This has very little to do with the personal opinions/experiences of individual Legionaries and everything to do with Caesarâs vision. Why though? I don't need that Roman shit messing everything up for me. In order to get to a higher rung of civilization (more advanced culturally & technologically), you had to pass through the lower rungs first. – Above -Carol Montana photo, Below Kath Lambert photo. Finally, my Legion will have its Rome. If you were to ask a medieval European man what they thought of women, you probably wouldnât find many foaming at the mouth with hatred. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. They represent what is best for the people, freedom. They have huge amounts of technology and knowledge from the old world. There are no more raiders or gangs roaming the wastes back in Cali, hell even the Khans fled to the newlands out of fear of the NCR's crackdown. The Fallout: New Vegas Legion Faction. If I live in an area surrounded by Powder Gangers, then the Legion is a group i'll support. Actually, the NCR also cares for it's caravans and goes after raiders. Edward Sallow was born in 2226 as an NCR citizen. Since they rape their female slaves and won't allow women to fight in their army? A similar post came up in the New Vegas subreddit yesterday, for those who haven't seen it and are interested in more replies. My Legion's expansion has never ceased. I think the problem with the fallout games is the Raiders always have cool settings with things such as human heads on spiked poles, cannibalism, drugs, prisoners, and other things of that nature but rarely add it to the dialogue. Now NCR is spread thin and in most of their camps you can hear how they are stretched thin and all the soldiers are being sent to the Dam. Asking Caesar about him reveals that Lanius was a member of a tribe hostile to Caesar's Legion, the Hidebarks, and Lanius was the bloodthirsty champion of that tribe, sometimes ambushing entire groups of legionaries by himself. Further, childbearing conditions in the wastes are already going to be awful, societies fundamentally have to make the process easier, infact anthropologists believe childbearing is one of the fundamental reasons societies formed at all. The Economy of Caesar's Legion. I think it all just depends who exactly are you (Trader, male/female, farmer vs businessman, etc) and where you are located. Their not spread too thin, their trade routes are safer, there is no greed and taxes among the Legion they live a basic existence. I expect that information can be used to manipulate them. There's a reason even Cass admits that merchants would be safer under Caesar. If the legion were to rule we'd a safe life. Then again, if I had to choose between being a Legion slave or be thrown to the Raiders, then the Legion is a better choice. Caesar's Legion is an imperialistic dictatorship over the American Southwest founded in 2247 by Edward Sallow and Joshua Graham, inspired and partially based on the ancient Roman Empire. In theory, the remaining people already have gone through the stages of civilization, through the old world and vault life. what a glorious speech! If you ask Caesar why he chose to model his society off of the Roman Empire, he'll tell you that he believes that Mankind must start over fresh, and his opposition to the NCR is that they are trying to skip all the in-between development and go straight to Democracy. To me House is the best option and I always pick House. The Caesar's Legion in the game is a forward camp. If their group interests you, it is possible to join their ranks and serve under Caesar. Perhaps desertion might not be a problem for Caesar, but those fearful of the Legion will stand with the Roman Republic. Sell them for a good profit or throw them in a lake for I care. LIVINGSTON MANOR, NY – The 7 th annual Trout Parade, Sullivan County’s own version of Mardi Gras, is scheduled for Saturday, June 12 in Livingston Manor, rain or shine. Caesar: That's right. We have cities of our own, but nothing compared to Vegas. Even if the Legion falls, the foundations and ideals they've left behind will be the building blocks toward a new South West. The legion was instrumental in Caesar's victory over Pompey in the Roman Civil War. A state-of-the-art subreddit from Vault-Tec. The Legion … Most importantly, the standard of life in the late Roman Republic was a far sight better than the tribes under Caesar's rule. Also if Legion stopped chasing down raiders in their area and turn all resources toward Second Battle of Hoover Dam NCR would get overrun easily. Go to even the most brutal and women oppressing societies in history and ask their thoughts on women. Cookies help us deliver our Services. To me it just depends on geography. The Legion systemically categorizes women for forced breeding (rape) or slave labor because Caesar wants as many Legionaries as possible as quickly as possible. They're still repeating history though - just from eve further back. Caeser's Legion has a bunch of guys with makeshift swords, javelins and mostly 19th century style bullet guns in baseball gear. Looking specifically at cut content, the series notes … Also the legion hunts and kills all the raiders and various gangs. He observed that all ancient societies went through very similar stages, or rungs of a ladder, as he called it. it is possible if your apart of the NCR to convince the BOS to patrol the I-15 and highway 95. Caesar's Life Caesar, the leader of Caesar's Legion. It doesn't make me like them any more, but it's terrifying how solid his logic is. So I ask you reddit, what does the economy of the Legion look like? The reason there is no bandits or radiers in the east is because the laws their are very strict and if you decide to steal or murder you get crucified and made an example. 1 Background 2 Interactions with the player character 2.1 Interactions overview 2.2 Quests 2.3 Other interactions 3 Inventory 4 Notable quotes 5 Appearances 6 References Lucius is the commander of the praetorian guard in Caesar's Legion. The Legion is an ultra-reactionary, utilitarian slave army supported by several tributary populations. There are laws and norms that are strictly enforced, the purpose of which are to draw power, wealth and influence up the pyramid to the society's leadership. Even with all the shoehorning of political agendas for the sake of biting wit, the game is an absolute legendary classic. Caesar does not approve the use of chems and if you are to do a Legion playthrough NO chems what so ever are allowed. The unit was still guarding the Euphrates River crossing near Melitene at the beginning of the 5th century. I hate Caesar with a passion so I am a bit biased lol. Hereâs the short summary of those attitudes: not good. Go to -{stopping short as pain eplodes inside head} 1 Legionaries 1.1 Legionary 1.2 Decanus 1.3 Centurion 1.4 Legate 2 Other positions 3 References Recruit Legionaries (Latin: legionarius, pl. The predominant thought is never going to be, the legion's "I rape em because I like it, sometimes even children" especially in a case like the legions, where the entire society was formed so quick that the tribes it's composed of are recent memory. Securitrons make terrible counterespionage agents, House can't trust any of his own employees, and Caesar's Legions have not neglected the use of spies and subversion. This has very little to do with the personal opinions/experiences of individual Legionaries and everything to do with Caesar’s vision. Caesar's Legion is a reactionary and militaristic slaver society and is classified into various castes by those who've studied them. I've actually seen some thigns where the NCR is rascist as well, they just allow ghouls and super mutants but don't really care about them. The Legate would take over. The Legion systemically categorizes women for forced breeding (rape) or slave labor because Caesar wants as many Legionaries as possible as quickly as possible. In addition to the natural hazards of childbirth prior to the late 19th century, most social power structures excluded them or victimized them in various ways. Sure, Fallout lore contends that the Legion is a slave army and that Caesar forbids many technologies, etc etc. VII One of Caesar's four legions when he became governor of Gallia Cisalpina. Joshua Graham remarks that he did not know of Lanius during his time as Legate, indicating he was not recruited until some time after the First Battle of Hoover Dam in 2277. Legio XII Fulminata ("Thunderbolt Twelfth Legion"), also known as Paterna, Victrix, Antiqua, Certa Constans, and Galliena, was a legion of the Imperial Roman army.It was originally levied by Julius Caesar in 58 BC, and the legion accompanied him during the Gallic Wars until 49 BC. Bud’s Giant Brook Trout in the 2009 Trout Parade. Sure, the legion are an interesting faction and it's a shame they weren't explored more. The only way the legion can survive is because it's expanding quickly, it's not set up in a way it can sustain itself for many more generations, if any. Just as a note, I run A World Of Pain, Caesar's New Regime (but not for the screenshots) and lots of mods that add new areas and this one doesn't seem to mess with or overlap any of those. Look at what happened with that NCR ranger who got raped by the Fiends. 139 votes, 32 comments. In the end that's the way forward rather than going back to the ideas of governments before the great war. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. And they are based off of an empire that conquered and lasted quite a long time. While the bombs killed most, the ones remaining remember or at least know of the old world. Caesar's Legion operates in accordance with a strict military hierarchy, inspired by the military of ancient Rome, as it is a massive army inspired by the stories of imperial Rome's might. As long as your okay with believing you're a higher power then someone due to birthright the legion are cool. Caesar's Legion is a ruthless slaver society who is at the doorstep of the NCR (New California Republic) and Mr. House in Fallout: New Vegas. So, while Legionaries would certainly be annoyed/confused by a female Courier, the average Legionary isnât going around with balled fists hissing âWOMEN!â through clenched teeth. Their not spread too thin, their trade routes are safer, there is no greed and taxes among the Legion they live a basic existence. Caesar's Legion then tra… It would be solely on surviving, stability, and having a shot at the future. In this case, that's Caesar himself. When people (women or otherwise) transgress social roles, the response varies from amusement to confusion to anger, but people who stay within âthe linesâ usually donât catch much flack. The Raiders can come off as cartooney, when in reality they wouldn't be like that. JE Sawyer says the legion's misogyny did not come off as intended, but still, the final product is what we got. v1.0 - First version, includes 3 Legion camps, lots of events, adds hundreds of NPCs, new types of legionaries, and lots of other things listed below. Caesar's Legion is a texbook example of a lawful evil society. If I live inside a peaceful NCR town with caravans, farms, and power then the Legion threatens my existence. The NCR are a failed empire, destroying themselves and those around them out of corruption, greed, and backstabbing. The group included Follower Edward Sallow, who met with the New Canaanite missionary Joshua Graham, a specialist in tribal dialects. The NCR is already spread too thin and wouldnt be able to guard the mojave. NCR. No seriously it almost convinced me not to let New Vegas go into independence. Sadly I can not remember the archaeologist's name, so I don't even know where I'd find his research, but there was a scientist that studied ancient, collapsed societies. A new YouTube series called The Cutting Room Floor recently debuted, and the first few videos to be released all delve into the background of Caesar’s Legion. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Caravan from Arizona gets ambushed and a Frumentaari would already be gathering a war party and hunting those raiders down. Being intimidated into joining the legion is one thing, getting along well with guys who rape your family is another. Not long into their travels, the group was captured by the Blackfoot tribe and held for ransom.At the time, the tribe warred against seven other tribes and suffered from a lack of skill in warfare. When they are not those things, they are held in low regard if not considered worthless. Also the conversation you can have with cass really changed my perspective because the legion truly care about their own including caravans. However, the empire that the Legion is based on crumbled in on itself. If you take chems with you don't use them or it's not a Legion playthrough. In a violent, post apocalyptic world: Its survival of the fittest, and compared to the NCR, the Legion have got their priorities straight. But don't you care about the women of the Legion? Overview Edit. The Legion makes more progress than any other faction, and their rise and fall would be inevitable in real-life. If I'm a woman, it sucks. In front of other comrades: “I work with Colonel Hsu on logistics. In 2226, a boy named Caesar was born. #1. If Rome fell why can't the legion? Caesar's Legion. He became a member of the contingent in 2268 and became their leader … With NO SIDE QUESTS. However, it cannot be taken until certain events take place in-game. Since the 3.1 update, I have never seen Caesar's Legion ever win the NCR-Legion war … Plus you would be a lot more free, free to drink alcohol and use medicine. Aug 14, 2013 @ 10:51am Caesar. Yes we all know they have many slaves but what do said slaves do besides be brutalized? A state-of-the-art subreddit from Vault-Tec. He doesn't have the same ideals, knowledge, intelligence, or common sense that Caesar has. In real life they would be like the villains from the movie The Road (the cannibals) and I 100 percent would have no issue whatsoever with seeing the mighty brutality of the Legion in that case. I burned straight through the Legion storyline just to show off some of the larger FPGE content in a Legion playthrough. Hsu’s back hit the floor, red blood flows slowly from his nose, seeing him in pain make a wide grin on frumentarius’ face. When he … 7 reasons why you should side with the Legion. However, if it's a random encounter and Mr. House isn't given any prep time whatsoever, then Caesar's Legion succeeds. The thing is, how they are portrayed, especially in regards to women, is utterly dysfunctional. Note that they only take slaves from tribes (like the Great Khans) and not towns, as well as groups of people who fight them (like in the Mojave), New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. And he puts the 6th Legion on Caesar’s side, when its surviving cohorts were actually in Pompey’s army at that time—some 900 men of the legion would go over to Caesar after the Battle of Pharsalus several months later. "a lot of minor Legion characters came across as far more overtly misogynistic than I had intended them to." The average Legionary doesnât have deep-seated open hatred of women, but believes that their society (which subjugates women into specific roles) is good. Forging the dross into a vast, razor-sharp scythe. He received a free education from the Followers and eventually became a scribe, specializing in anthropology and linguistics. The legion was reformed by Lepidus in the spring of 43. Also they are less racist then the legion and allow ghouls and even super mutants in their army. In the year 2246, the Followers of the Apocalypse sent a group of nine members to the Arizona wastelands to study the region’s tribal languages. When the stance shown in the game is essentially "rape em and make them do all the manual labour and not give a shit, only hardened children survive" it's a set up for societal collapse by stupid. Here's JE Sawyers thoughts on the matter, which raise some more points I don't want to overlap. A group I 'll support Caesar forbids many technologies, etc etc with. Safer under Caesar je Sawyers thoughts on the matter, which raise some more points I n't. Far sight better than the tribes under Caesar 1.3 Centurion 1.4 Legate other. 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